Discussion Zone: => General Chat => Topic started by: bloo-apple on May 03, 2010, 09:26:02 PM
Title: Drugs are interesting.
Post by: bloo-apple on May 03, 2010, 09:26:02 PM
For the past week, I have soaked my entire life full of studying drugs, illegal ones especially, and I think they are the most interesting things ever. What really bottles my mind is, if all drugs were perfectly legal, would drug addiction be so bad?
Personally, I viewed the meth videos, and the heroin addict videos, all over youtube, and they are some pretty scary stuff, but the whole thought of knowing and understanding what they are feeling like really drives my curiosity.
When people are going to do a drug they all go in, thinking, I am only going to do this one time. and they knowledge the addiction rate, and yet they still do it. Sure there are some regular users that do it and are fine, but the risks is too high for me to even try it.
Does anyone else get these feelings? or am I the only curious one? I know DRUGZ ARE ILLEGAL FOR A REAZON.
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Post by: Flashwerewolf on May 04, 2010, 12:58:23 AM
drugs are interesting I love to learn about them as well. As for the highly addictive drugs, I wont even get into that discussion.
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Post by: tkoold on May 04, 2010, 02:43:05 AM
i follow the rules..
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Post by: bloo-apple on May 04, 2010, 12:55:12 PM
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Post by: kinjo on May 04, 2010, 01:09:37 PM
i don't like drugs that are made in laboratories i swore to myself never to do anything heavier than weed
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Post by: tkoold on May 04, 2010, 02:29:44 PM
banned from what?
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Post by: kinjo on May 04, 2010, 03:03:07 PM
life [cmon2]
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Post by: Adelaide on May 04, 2010, 05:41:34 PM
Drugs entice curiosity, but effects are tii harmful
My cousin was a heroine addict, and I visited him a few weeks ago; he's trying to get clean, and at the time I saw him, he'd gone a week without any drugs. I spent the night and went to use the bathroom, and when i passed his room, the withdrawal was so bad he was crying. He told me it'd been like that everyday since he'd stopped using them. To my knowledge he is still clean, I'd like to hope so.
The only people I associate with that have done drugs heavier than weed are my cousins and my brother's fiance; all of which have had their lives torn apart from their drug use.
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Post by: Kedzor on May 04, 2010, 06:20:28 PM
As a recreational user, i always research a new substance before ingesting it. i read reports of the substance from several sources and gather info from people who have used it. About the most 'addictive' drug i use so far is alcohol, but i only like to get drunk every so often, once evrey few weeks.
Do date i much prefer cannabis and psychedelics like LSD and psilocybin mushrooms to anyhting else, and i always pace myself. i've never had a bad trip or a 'flashback'.
>>What really bottles my mind is, if all drugs were perfectly legal, would drug addiction be so bad?
LEGALITY OR ILLEGALITY DOES NOT MAKE ANY DRUG MORE OR LESS DANGEROUS. so, yes, being addicted to a legal drug is just as bad as an illegal one. Acually, legal drugs are more dagerous for addicts because they are esier to get.
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Post by: kinjo on May 04, 2010, 07:58:16 PM
at one time cocaine was legal, everyone used it Freud would prescribe it to his patients and he himself got addicted to it then invented psychology
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Post by: bloo-apple on May 04, 2010, 08:37:37 PM
at one time cocaine was legal, everyone used it Freud would prescribe it to his patients and he himself got addicted to it then invented psychology
But then Jung was his student and followed his foot steps, but he did not believe psychology would do anything on its own, so then he invented Psychiatry.
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Post by: Kedzor on May 05, 2010, 04:11:52 PM
Jung was a moron.
[cen] in ground ate me man
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Post by: bloo-apple on May 05, 2010, 06:28:24 PM
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Post by: Kedzor on May 05, 2010, 11:45:06 PM
yeah i was lying down and the clouds started to shatter and talk to me to tell me that i was one of the Spoken, and the ground wrapped around me like i was being swallowed and i couldn't find my teeth and some fractal machines started to bulge the sky
shrooms are crazy man
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Post by: bloo-apple on May 06, 2010, 12:08:38 AM
shrooms aren't really safe, it makes your brain bleed and its really hard on your stomach.
Shrooms do not make your brain bleed. If they did i would be one seriously dead Kedzor. and it's no harder in your stomach than any other edible dry mushroom, i have never felt nauseous or stomach pains after eating mushrooms.
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Post by: kinjo on May 06, 2010, 12:34:51 PM
i had a friend who collapsed on shrooms and needed her stomach pumped was in the hospital for a day
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Post by: bloo-apple on May 06, 2010, 02:02:25 PM
Actually the active chemical in shrooms is a poison, and that's why you trip. So it's not exactly hard on your stomache but it's a little hard on your body in general.
Lol, shrooms do not make your brain bleed, I saw that on another forum too.
The effects of shrooms are like LSD and Weed and last up to 7 hours, there are a few dangers if you suffer from depression, or you are scared to take it, or if you do it with out supervision.
shrooms exit the body in 1 day, and do not show up on a standard drug test after 3 days max.
It is also legal to buy the spores, and grow them for educational purposes, But it is illegal to consume them, however who wouldn't try them?
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Post by: Kedzor on May 06, 2010, 03:02:14 PM
well whatever, at least bloo has my back. I can tell the general feeling in this thread isnt turning out so great, haters gonna hate
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Post by: Flashwerewolf on May 06, 2010, 07:35:40 PM
waaaah people are trolling and saying they dont like drugs, so the thread is bad waaaaaah
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Post by: bloo-apple on May 06, 2010, 08:00:59 PM
people who mess with their mind, telling you about drugs [kungfu]
It just sucks you can't understand it through words. :(
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Post by: Flashwerewolf on May 06, 2010, 08:19:32 PM
yeah, well I play the devils advocate a lot, mostly to root out if a person is actually knowledgeable about a topic or just repeating what they liked reading about. Hallucinogenic and Euphoric drugs aren't needed to sustain human life, thus using them is optional to living. If you do, take responsibility for your decisions and don't wonderful person and complain, if you don't then don't wonderful person and complain. ;D
Also, don't hate cops because they police drug use, cause they are people behind those badges and do work for the common good.
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Post by: Adelaide on May 06, 2010, 08:45:57 PM
=] Thats a good point
For me, I get shut down a lot because I've never tried them, therefore I can't have much of an opinion on the matter. Irregardless to what I did and didn't do, I've been exposed to most illicit drugs, and have seen what it does to people and what it does to their lives.
In my opinion, to put this in a comparison, the ones doing the drugs are like rats in a cage, given drugs, and observed by the scientists. The scientists can always draw accurate conclusions, while now the rat has been influenced.
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Post by: kinjo on May 06, 2010, 08:47:06 PM
eventually everyone tries it
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Post by: Flashwerewolf on May 06, 2010, 08:54:38 PM
thats not true, what about miscarriage?
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Post by: Adelaide on May 06, 2010, 09:02:15 PM
Why shouldn't I hate cops, they arrest people for doing stuff that makes people happy
Because people love doing things that make them happy that hurts those around them, people can be selfish and immature and can't be held accountable for their actions with controlled substances and alcohol.
Also, Cops protect the innocent from abusive harmful people, and people over step their boundaries doing horrible things that cause problems to society.
Just think of how dangerous it would be out there in the world without good people to keep the crazies at bay. People abide by the rules(which are very lax) because police create a consequence for doing certain things.
We are not free, we have three rights; Life, Liberty, and the PURSUIT of happiness. Note that happiness isn't guaranteed, we are merely allowed to pursue it, thus we can't do whatever the hell we want at all times because it hurts other people.
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Post by: Kedzor on May 07, 2010, 01:49:41 PM
i concur, i f there were no cops i would be afraid for my life pretty much all the time. They're just people with jobs to do. They didn't make the laws. They frequently risk their lives to make sure the civilians can sleep safely at night.
that's not to say that SOME cops are crooked and accept bribes or plant false evidence to make themselves look good, they are human after all.
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Post by: bloo-apple on May 07, 2010, 02:16:00 PM
There was a gang slain in your neighborhood, 3 people were killed. There were also 3 witness's, one of them says they saw you there.
You tell the cop that you were in Virginia Beach last week, and that you have never touched a gun in your life.
The cop would say to the court, arrest you and tell the judge that he mentioned a gun, but you mentioned one. The jury would then assume that you were involved.
Never talk to cops.
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Post by: Adelaide on May 07, 2010, 03:34:32 PM
Do you have documentation of this occurring or are you coming up with entirely false information and doing exactly what you accuse cops of doing, which would be making up stories to make one party look bad? In which case would make you a hypocrite.
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Post by: bloo-apple on May 07, 2010, 06:34:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik
This is my source.
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Post by: Adelaide on May 07, 2010, 07:57:16 PM
my goodness hes a boring person
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Post by: bloo-apple on May 07, 2010, 08:11:21 PM
There was a gang slain in your neighborhood, 3 people were killed. There were also 3 witness's, one of them says they saw you there.
You tell the cop that you were in Virginia Beach last week, and that you have never touched a gun in your life.
The cop would say to the court, arrest you and tell the judge that he mentioned a gun, but you mentioned one. The jury would then assume that you were involved.
Never talk to cops.
You are assuming what the cop would tell the court, and how the jury would receive what was said. Your situation is very flawed and has zero effort put into it, so just please don't participate in this discussion if you won't put time or logic into what you say.
You would also have records for being in Virginia Beach, which would clear you from being a suspect, easy as that.
Cops aren't sloppy they can lose their job at any time, in any case.
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Post by: bloo-apple on May 07, 2010, 08:49:41 PM
Yes, and they should. I didn't make that up, I just was remembering it the best I could from the video I posted.
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Post by: Adelaide on May 07, 2010, 08:52:53 PM
I concur with what FW said.
You are generalizing all cops because there are a few bad apples in the bunch
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Post by: bloo-apple on May 07, 2010, 09:12:19 PM
Well, isn't it better to be on the safe side?
I saw many youtube video's on that and have grown quite a bias about how cops treat suspects.
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Post by: Flashwerewolf on May 07, 2010, 09:22:08 PM
If you say stupid things that can be misconstrued, then of course you'll get treated differently.
If you don't say anything to cops, it also makes you suspicious, like you have something to hide. Tho you aren't required to. If you make their lives harder, they will make yours harder. Just be civil and you'll be fine.
It also helps to not be around people who break the law. Removes situations like these from even occurring.
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Post by: Adelaide on May 07, 2010, 10:08:06 PM
Yep yep!
Cops are regular people just doing their jobs, and we need them around to keep society functioning
I've known several cops that just do it for the sake of society and a lot of them die defending the innocent, so you should respect the ones that are doing it for you own good, instead of say stuff like that off of things you watched but never experienced
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Post by: Flashwerewolf on May 07, 2010, 10:09:42 PM
yar and like Nick said, they don't make the laws only enforce them. Legislative branch makes the rules and the Executive enforces them. Don't like the rules? don't blame cops, blame the suits! [kungfu]
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Post by: bloo-apple on May 07, 2010, 11:40:37 PM
If you say stupid things that can be misconstrued, then of course you'll get treated differently.
From how the video described how cops twist your words, you don't have to say anything stupid.
You can say the complete truth and still be convicted of a crime.
Yes, it's not right to do that, but innocent people have been imprisoned because of it.
LETS SAY.. K, your completely right. However!
You cannot talk your way out of getting arrested, so there really is no point to talking to the police. All it can do, is risk yourself of incriminating yourself. You could only plead guilty before even going to trial.
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Post by: Adelaide on May 08, 2010, 12:39:59 AM
Again, you are talking through the video
Are you incapable of thinking for yourself? Does the media influence every decision you make? You can't let others make you decisions, thats how you'll get suckered into things and fed false information; do real research on this topic from BOTH sides before you argue one side over the other, or get some actual experience
If you've never had a bad experience with a cop, then why have any reason not to like them?
Again I accuse of of hypocrisy, as you fall into the he-said/she-said category of believing what you are told without needing know all the facts available to you; this is the same thing you accuse cops of doing, however with only one source of a random guy ranting about random stuff
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Post by: bloo-apple on May 08, 2010, 12:52:30 AM
He's a law professor he isn't what I consider the media, in the 2nd video (after this 1, its a 2 part vide) he has a police officer confirm everything he says as true.
I am not influenced 100% by the video believing it's true, He has very valid points.
Yes I have had a bad experience with the police. I don't hate them, I believe that that they are only there to arrest people (which is good), they also want you to confess to what you have done so they wont even have to go to court.
If they do have to go to court, they don't want to look bad, so they will use your word against you
Sure, if you want to go ahead and talk for yourself when a cop starts accusing you of a crime that you haven't committed then you can risk saying something that they can use against you, but I am going to keep my mouth shut and let a lawyer talk for me.
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Post by: Adelaide on May 08, 2010, 01:12:04 AM
Have you ever had the cops help you with anything?
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Post by: Flashwerewolf on May 08, 2010, 08:33:40 PM
You can say the complete truth and still be convicted of a crime.
Yes, it's not right to do that, but innocent people have been imprisoned because of it.
You cannot talk your way out of getting arrested, so there really is no point to talking to the police. All it can do, is risk yourself of incriminating yourself. You could only plead guilty before even going to trial.
If you break the law, then yes. If you didn't break the law there is no harm talking to police, unless you say something stupid about how you break the law.
If you break the law, then yes its best not to say anything.
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Post by: Kedzor on May 08, 2010, 10:48:58 PM
STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM
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Post by: Adelaide on May 08, 2010, 11:37:31 PM